Thursday, September 09, 2010

Why You Shouldn't Buy a Mac

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Anonymous said...

This is the oldest argument in the mac fanboi vs. pc fanboi arguments - that the hardware is just so much more expensive.

Being a mac user (there, I threw it out there) since the beginning, I still don't consider myself a hardcore fanboi. I've used PC's in the past to play games that macs haven't been able to and when I've been handed one at work, so I've seen both sides.

The short of it is, I'd rather pay $1000 for a fully functional laptop that I can use right out of the box and simply works with everything without having to spend 3-5 hours coddling it than spend $300 for a PC laptop that I have to set up everything myself.

I'm not sure why they're considered "not upgradable" since I've replaced or added hard drives and ram on all of my machines. Besides, for anything short of playing games, my 8-year old mac, or 2-year old macbook both still work great.

dvb said...

Certainly there are some options here I'd never go for, but this is a poorly designed comparison.

I could make the same kind of jpeg about cars. Why does it cost $2000 for the upgraded sound system in a BMW, when I could buy the components for $1000.

It's not just the components that matter - it's that they're installed by professionals and warrantied.

dvb said...

Also it should be mentioned that Alienware's comparable top of the line is ~$4000, and they recommend spending an extra $500 to go from 3.2Ghz to 3.33 - a 4% improvement (if I use this graphic designers math). The cost to do this is $500 extra.

By this artists logic, one should not buy a PC either.

I use both Mac's and PC's every day. Mac's are a little nicer to use and cost a bit more. It doesn't need to be any more complicated than that.

Anonymous said...

look at all the macfags running to the rescue. Macs and all apple products are for trendy hipsters who think they're buying quality when in fact half of the cost is for the apple logo. you guys are losers who enjoy getting raped by apple. PCs will always be better than Macs in price and hardware. that's right bitches, i can upgrade my PC for a reasonable price whenever i feel it's needed. you're stuck with a shiny box full of old hardware. and if you're willing to pay more than twice the money because you can't setup PC software, well that's just idiotic. you can have a professional install everything you need for much less money.

Anonymous said...

To the retard that stated he has to coddle 3-5 hours with a $300 laptop.

You say you would rather pay $1000 for a laptop, then why the fuck don't you go and buy a $1000 PC laptop instead of a $300 one?

Duh?

Anonymous said...

@dvb

The fact is you're buying pre-built computers from sites that offer their services to building you a computer.

Of course it's going to cost more.

How about you go and do some research on your own on how to build your own computer and you'll find it's MUCH more cheaper and reliable.

Installed by professionals, rofl, it's not hard to connect shit together. Hilarious.

Btw, Alienwares are pretty much the Macs of PCs. Only idiots buy them.

Hedera Segnis said...

i don't understand why some of the pc sufferers cite some of the things they cite. results matter in the ened. i had a friend help me build a desktop pc from scratch back in 2003 at Fry's, and i'm not sure what the cost was. i still have it. i never turn it on, but it works....usually. in 2004, i bought a g4 powerbook. it cost about 2200. it finally died on me at the end of 2009. so i had it 5 years, and have had the pc for 6.

so pc was cheaper, lasted longer....oh wait the powerbook was much more efficient, any repairs were covered by apple for about 3 years, there were no software crashes, and moving parts, fans, drives all still work (except for the sony built battery) because they were designed to work in unison by apple in a certain way...not like the pc that ultimately was LESS than the sum of its parts (though its parts were state of the art in their time). no certified repair person would fix it, just some local pc repair guy. software wasn't designed specifically for the system, just to work on it.

Paying someone to install software, oftentimes not leaving discs to keep, is preposterous. i run into SO many people who need a copy of windows suddenly because the've tried all their options. where is it. if YOU don't have it...as the OWNER...then who does? i have dvd's of os x versions. how could i not? software doesn;t cost twice as much cross platform either. does Final Fantasy 13 cost 2x the price on xbox as it does on ps3? no.

to the guy who compalined about the guy who mentioned the laptop prices vs capabilities....um, your point is redundant. HE already MADE it by asking a rhetorical question. the logic is implied, and is easily inferred.

In addition, connecting shit together in an aluminum unibody like a mini or a Macbook pro enclosure is VERY difficult, especially for amateurs BRIMMING with static charges. It was designed to be in there, a person trained to install it was involved, will it work when i turn it on? yes. if not, then clearly it wasn;t YOUR OWN fault....like if you had installed it yourself...blaming only yourself and all...\


and finally, when things are much more cheaper, they tend to not be much more reliable.

you get what you pay for. you sacrifice SOMETHING for a cheaper price. ALWAYS. be it energy youe xpend, or quality in craftsmanship.

In addition, the cheaper it is, the sooner it is DESIGNED to break down. NOTHING is deigned to last too long. TV's are supposed to break so you can FIX them, or buy a new one and pay the companies more money.

Hello? Ford Tauruses were the only thing keeping that company afloat int he nineties with repair bills lol

Hedera Segnis said...

to the guy who compalined about the guy who mentioned the laptop prices vs capabilities....um, your point is redundant. HE already MADE it by asking a rhetorical question. the logic is implied, and is easily inferred.

In addition, connecting shit together in an aluminum unibody like a mini or a Macbook pro enclosure is VERY difficult, especially for amateurs BRIMMING with static charges. It was designed to be in there, a person trained to install it was involved, will it work when i turn it on? yes. if not, then clearly it wasn;t YOUR OWN fault....like if you had installed it yourself...blaming only yourself and all...\


and finally, when things are much more cheaper, they tend to not be much more reliable.

you get what you pay for. you sacrifice SOMETHING for a cheaper price. ALWAYS. be it energy youe xpend, or quality in craftsmanship.

In addition, the cheaper it is, the sooner it is DESIGNED to break down. NOTHING is deigned to last too long. TV's are supposed to break so you can FIX them, or buy a new one and pay the companies more money.

Hello? Ford Tauruses were the only thing keeping that company afloat int he nineties with repair bills lol

Anonymous said...

They're not pointing out a glaring fact, all of the prices they're mentioning are from Newegg, who are a wholesaler, so of course they're gonna be low, but what are the actual shelf prices of these items?? Hrm, probably quite a bit more, and realize you PC nerds there's a bit more to know to build a PC than plugging stuff together. It's not hard to people who already understand, but climb down off ur high-horse and empathize with normal people who haven't wasted time in their busy lives to learn how to balance power supply and know how much cooling you will need for the processor. You forget the world you live in cause you don't live in it, you live in front of a screen. FAIL

Gotjayce said...

This article caught me right away, researched answers to this question are all across the board. That's why the comments are so important to me. They share peoples' thoughts, experiences, and opinions, which are far more useful to me than the articles.
The comments Hederasegnis gave seemed more of an attempt at starting debate about something he's clearly trying to be informed about, but instead sold me the opposing direction, towards Windows.

Focusing on item cost vs reliability and lifeline was just asinine. He had a friend build him a cheap PC, and later bought a more costly Mac laptop. The PC still sits in his house, not fully completed, and made from cheap parts. This has absolutely nothing to do with Windows console functionality, and I would absolutely guarantee that if people could build Macs with cheap parts from a bargain electronics store...they most certainly would do it, and no, they would not have a 3 year warranty like Apple offers customers buying directly from them. I've purchased my last 4 PC desktops, and one laptop,at Best Buy, and all systems had warranties. I've had excellent experiences with them all, and yes trained people did work on them whenever needed. That entire rant he gave reminded me of a teenage girl who insists she knows the entire workings of the universe.

Also, making reference to dvb's comparisons as "implied and easily inferred", makes no sense. His comparison was researched, no mentioned rhetorical question, I don't have a clue what is inferred, and he makes perfect sense! I mean really? because he gave an objective opinion he has to be insulted? On a side note, since when did Ford Taurus repair bills keep Ford Motor Co. "afloat".

I think anyone who starts to curse , and shoot down other contributors and slander their thoughts, are always amusing, but they are hardly taken seriously. Opinions make the comment threads worth exploring, and while people like Hederasegnis are amusing to read, they only offer ignorance and the need to pity the haters,and nothing more.

I've recently been toying with buying a Mac,I have a house filled with Windows products, but the tekkie in me cries always for something new to explore. Windows does a fantastic job of networking my home. I come home, my Android phone sends my music playlist from my phone to the XBox, which in turn can send that list to any of the home network PCs. I had a friend return an XBOx only yesterday, because his Mac was not compatible. He wanted to use it to stream to a tv that was two rooms down, and his mac system is a bit sluggish and overloaded, and can't stream well enough.

Anonymous had a very good point also: "Macs and all apple products are for trendy hipsters who think they're buying quality when in fact half of the cost is for the apple logo. you guys are losers who enjoy getting raped by apple. PCs will always be better than Macs in price and hardware.i can upgrade my PC for a reasonable price whenever i feel it's needed. you're stuck with a shiny box full of old hardware. and if you're willing to pay more than twice the money because you can't setup PC software, well that's just idiotic. you can have a professional install everything you need for much less money."

Gotjayce said...

I built an amazing system recently, first time, found all PC tech support on the web. Three monitors, NVidia GTX660i, the whole nine yards! Online gaming and streaming are incredible, flows like buttah!. I built it from scratch, but didn't choose a bargain basement for parts to complain about so as to redirect the fault, who does that? I chose quality, reliable brands, did my research, got exactly what I wanted, and best of all, the experience and knowledge I received was priceless. I could never get that with Apple, which I still admire highly, but I feel denies full-ownership. I can't justify paying higher price points for a device I can't easily open up and customize /change/add/learn/or, well, fully own.

I still think Macs are amazing, well built machines,but just not right for me. They were very east and west coast trend devices for a long time...especially with the higher price point and mystery of not being able to 100% customize and explore. Closed development products always have higher price points, that's fairly well known. Windows involves multiple sources , and therefore competitive pricing, also a well known fact.

Hederasegnis, if your so angry and hateful of Windows because your bud bargain built you one you use as a footrest, then donate it, or sell the parts, or consider using it for a media center for a TV, but don't come onto a public discussion board and slander every other persons' thought, questions, or opinion with uneducated jargon. There's no need for it, and it makes you, and maybe some Apple users, look like insecure bullies grasping at anything they can find to throw at you. If you can't give justifiable logic and fact as to why you shouldn't buy a Mac, then your not worth giving any real consideration.

...In fact, you just talked me out of getting a Mac, so I should, in fact, thank you!

Anonymous said...

Hederasegnis:

I'm so thrilled to see you've changed your mind! Especially considering the gaming your planning on doing, I think most people would agree that's the way to go, and the system sounds great!

It's funny how its the exact opposite of your previous posts, and using a friend and budget parts again, but hey, You'll find it so much easier to assemble I bet, and that way you can keep using your mac for school and your PC for serious gaming. Great way to split up app consumption on your OSs!

Quoted:
http://www.computerforum.com/217723-budget-ish-build-looking-input.html

Aright. I finally got all the parts for my build, revised a few things, but here is the final product:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
SSD: Crucial M4 128GB
Video Card: XFX 7850
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Case: Corsair 400R
Power Supply: Corsair TX650m
Optical Drive: some Samsung drive

I'm quite happy with the build. Just one question: will the 650 watt PSU be sufficient, or would a 750 watt be a better choice? From what I've read, 650 seems to be enough, but I just want to make sure before I run the risk of damaging any expensive components. I don't plan on getting a second GPU. I might overclock, but only minimally just to experiment a bit.

Thanks for everyone's help up to this point. I'll be putting it all together on Saturday with a friend. I'll maybe post some pictures once the build is completed.